Acupuncture and Chinese Medicine
Posted by admin on Sep 12, 2009
Learn how acupuncture treats pain, depression and other health problems. Listen to testimonials from acupuncture patients at Minneapolis clinic Complete Oriental Medical Care. Licensed acupuncturist Steven Sonmore explains acupuncture and Chinese medicine.
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it helps alot
it helps alot
If it is done right …
If it is done right, it shouldn’t hurt at all.
doesnt it hurt?
doesnt it hurt?
For it to be a …
For it to be a placebo you must beleive contrary evidence- which the above study did not provide. The neutral stance, which may be better descriptive of yourself, is a true skeptic (one refusing to pass judgment).
As for the How: How do quatum bits work? You can’t measure those either.
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And I’d love …
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And I’d love for such a study to be released, acupuncture is a minimally invasive procedure which claims to be able to cure/treat a wide range of afflictions which cause people to suffer.
I would love acupuncture to work.
But no one can say HOW acupuncture works, nor IF it works with any certainty, in fact, when measured, it always looks like it doesn’t. Therefore, I don’t think it does.
Of course, and …
Of course, and don’t think that I believe that acupuncture can’t POSSIBLY work.
When I say I don’t believe in acupuncture, what I’m really saying is “It has not yet been shown to have anymore effect than a similarly administered placebo”
If a reliable study is published to the contrary, or the mechanism for how it could work are identified, I’ll change my mind on the issue.
Scientific method …
Scientific method is an outlet of logic and must obey logic, unless it only considers a scientific methodology in its study (which is a very narrow scope) and speaks only in those terms. In those terms “law” is a “the way we guess that all things are because we see it sometimes is…” and principle is “most likely what happens is.”
Science is great…. but its methodology isn’t everything. Science must yield to reason.
As for the pain …
As for the pain pill, this is not necessarily true, but we consider in our limited knowledge scope and for the sake of a face-paced money making culture of medicine: It is possible that the pain killer does not work, and it seems that there is a probability that it holds no significant value.
Both other …
Both other situations worked better than the control itself. Just because it isn’t a variable doesn’t mean it logically is not responsible to its involvement.
Correlation is part …
Correlation is part of what a controlled study does. It shows one thing and puts it up against what happened in another situation. That is correlation. This is an inductive reasoning method. In this case, it does not prove a causal link because some other principles entirely could be at work beyond the scope of the study.
As for MD treatment you wrote:
“Group 1 received only M.D. care
2 received M.D. care and true acupuncture
3 received M.D. care and fake acupuncture (random toothpick pokes)”
It’s not a …
It’s not a correlation, it’s a controlled study, big difference.
You’re missing the point a controlled study. As with every treatment ever conceived, it has to be measured against a placebo for efficacy.
If I give one group a sugar pill, and a second group a new pain killer, and both report similar improvement, we can conclude that the pain killer doesn’t work.
How does it show a lack of worth for MD treatment? MD treatment wasn’t a variable.
Correlation does …
Correlation does not imply causality.
Still yet again, though, it shows a lack of worth when it comes to MD treatment for back pain.
How does that not …
How does that not prove anything?
Group A is Control (MD Treatment only)
Group B is Placebo (MD plus toothpicks)
Group C (MD plus real acupuncture)
All start with 9 on pain scale. When the study is complete, the patients are asked to rate pain again:
Group A: 6
Group B: 3
Group C: 3
It’s a placebo, the very purpose of group B was to control for this effect, and we got a null result. Trained acupuncturist following chi points, or me with a toothpick telling you it’s real, same results.
That doesn’t …
That doesn’t actually prove anything. Basic causality and logic.
If A then B
The only definitive correlation is the condition
If A and not B
And in this case, the statement was false.
All the study has shown is that MDs are worth less when it comes to treating back pain than acupuncture is.
are you saying …
are you saying accupuncture does not work at all?
this is a genuine question
Well, the US …
Well, the US government just spent over $2 billion investigating numerous alternative medicine claims.
Pfizer didn’t do the tests, The National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine did, with meta analysis by my university among others.
I’ve been a graduate research assistant for three years, there are no pharma goons stalking the campus, we just publish the data.
It’s combination of …
It’s combination of expectation, suggestion, counter-irritation, conditioning, and other psychologic mechanisms.
Acupuncture does release endorphins, which ease pain, but so does getting punched in the face.
And getting punched in the face won’t put you at risk for local hematoma, local infections, bacterial endocarditis, punctured lung, and nerve damage.
Plus getting punched in the face is free.
Save your money
I have already had …
I have already had numerous acupuncture treatments. It cured my aunt of bells palsy, my mom of a skin disease, and helped me from a clinical depression. I know the education it takes, I am serious about this. I am majoring in Science and have my 60 units down and I’m considering getting and extra 30 so I can go to a better college for acupuncture. I have known the education requirements and have wanted to do this since I was 14 years old.
You might want to …
You might want to get some acupuncture treatments for yourself first so you know what it is like. Then talk with your acupuncturist and ask him/her questions about their work.
Most acupuncture programs in the US are 4 year programs with a 2 year prerequisite. Keep in mind that the schooling takes a tremendous amount of dedication. Most of my classmates dropped out by the first year. Have your goal and a burning desire to complete it firmly in mind.
Best of luck.
I sincerely want to …
I sincerely want to pursure a career in acupuncture. I am currently applying for schools. Any words of wisdom?
Congratuulations. …
Congratuulations. You discovered that acupuncture treats far beyond just pain issues. It is also wonderful for internal medicine such as digestive problems…acid reflux, IBS and much more.
There are no riches above a sound body. The Apocrypha
I’ve had a lot of …
I’ve had a lot of digestive issues due to stress, so I got acupuncture. I am now happier, healthier, and feel better!!
The treatments are soooooo relaxing and I don’t just walk out after a treatment- I float out! TCM is awesome!!!11
great vid by the …
great vid by the way,could you add more?Thanks in advance.
how does it treat …
how does it treat depression?does it make you happier?
Osgood-Schlatters …
Osgood-Schlatters is a common cause of knee pain in mainly boys ages 10 to 16. It usually clears up when they stop growing. But it can persist into adulthood.
Acupuncture and Chinese herbs address the inflammation and pain of this condition. At our clinic we use the Balance Method Acupuncture. The advantage to using this method of acupuncture is that the affected knee is not needled thereby avoiding any micro trauma to the already inflamed knee yielding quicker and maximum results.